Executive Vice President, Football Operations and General Manager, Andrew Berry (4.16.26)

Opening Statement:

“All right, so next week’s an exciting week for the organization.  It starts with what we’ve got going on in the building.  Obviously, we’ve had two weeks with our guys back in Berea, and next week, I was thinking about it – it’s pretty cool we get to see real football on the grass.  And, like, thinking back to 2020, the last time we had a new head coach, I forgot it just got wiped out because of COVID. So, this is pretty cool. And so that transitions right into draft weekend, where we have a great opportunity to add a number of young players to the roster.  It’s the culmination of 13, 14 long months of hard work.  And as I always do at this time of year, our college scouts, they’re awesome.  And scouting can be a thankless profession where you’re always away from your family, traveling, doing all the foundational work for the roster building, make a ton of sacrifices. I always like to just highlight, our college scouts, our area scouts, our national scouts, who do such a great job for us, and they really are the backbone and foundation of everything.  So with that, I’ll open up for questions.”

 

There’s a lot of buzz about you guys trading down from number six, and just wondering that the biggest report, rumor, hearsay, whatever, is a trade down to number 12 with the (Dallas) Cowboys.  So just wondering, can you address just the likelihood of moving down and is there anything to that particular deal?

“I’d go back to what I’ve said in the past, our mindset going into the draft, with our most valuable asset, isn’t about, ‘hey, just trade it away.’ It’s maximizing the asset.  And that can, at different times, take different forms.  It can be selecting a player, it could be trading it for a veteran, it could be trading down, it could be trading up.  We will continue to work through all those possibilities up until, really, we get on the clock on Thursday night.  But I’d say Mary Kay (Cabot), like, we’re working through a number of different scenarios at this point.”

 

As you kind of play out the scenarios, is this as…obviously, everybody seems to know who’s going number one, but two through five, is it as uncertain maybe, in terms of, who could go where, as you’ve seen in a while? 

“I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily the case, Chris (Easterling), and more from the perspective that I think at times there’s an assumption externally that we know where players are going to go.  And I think oftentimes that’s not the case.  Like, you know, look, I’m not in the buildings of the teams that are picking one through five.  None of us are.  And so, I think to assume that in any year that you know the way it’s going again, besides obviously perhaps (Fernando) Mendoza, I think that’s maybe a dangerous mindset to have.”

 

Is it the approach different this year because it’s six instead of two?  I know you had the talks ahead of the draft last year with the (Jacksonville) Jaguars. Do you have to wait or the other team have to wait to see what happens one through five before you could pull off that trade?

“I love how everybody last year thought we weren’t trading down and everybody this year assumes we are.  You know, I’d say this, Scott (Petrak), every year is unique because the players change, your pick location changes, demand, you know, may change.  So, I’d say the general answer to your question is yes, the dynamics are different.  But even if were picking two again this year, I’d give you the same answer.”

 

Teams in the past you’ve had that mentality of maybe not being married to a position in the draft.  How maybe do these early first round picks and the draft capital that you have shifted at all, is it still the mindset of best player available or knowing that you have needs and areas, does it kind of change the focus?

“It doesn’t change the focus, Cam (Justice), because every team has needs. And you know like last year at this point I wouldn’t have assumed that our first two picks would have been a three technique and an off the ball linebacker.  And the good thing is, like I say this every year, every draft class has good players. And the first order of business is to get players that you think have the potential to be a quality starter or a difference maker, particularly when you’re picking high. And I’d say the other thing is ultimately you want unique players when you’re picking this high because they’re not difficult to identify, but they’re very difficult to acquire. And you know, the draft is one of those opportunities.  So I think oftentimes the public discourse on the draft focuses on need, as if NFL teams go into the draft and say, ‘hey, look, I’m just going to pick the best this player, this player because that’s how our roster looks today.’  When the reality of it is these players, they’re longer term investments for your organization.”

 

What about a player like Jeremiyah Love, who just seems so unique in his playmaking ability and can do so many different things.  What’s it like to evaluate a prospect like him?

“Yeah, he’s special. I think if you look, Ashley (Bastock), you think about some of the, let’s say, dual threat backs that the league has had.  You know, obviously, Christian McCaffrey may be the poster child for that.  Jahmyr Gibbs may be, kind of the next generation of that.  Jeremiyah certainly has a lot of those, abilities and capabilities.  He’s a very dynamic prospect.”

 

Have you done research, Andrew (Berry), on the pros and cons of trading down, like historically, how those kinds of moves work?

“Yeah, we have. And not just trading down, trading up, moving around the board.  What you can expect at different, you know, pockets of each round in the draft and like what your odds are ultimately of hitting on a starter, hitting on a role player. So that all factors into it for sure.”

 

What have you discovered about moving from six?

“You know, I can’t share all my secrets, Jeff (Schudel).”

 

You see guys like Jeremiyah and Caleb Downs ranked at the near the top of like of every big board and yet they are, in some cases not projected to go towards the back end of the top 10.  Have we overthought positional value in some cases, like, shouldn’t some of the best players just go sooner?

“I guess just specifically you’re asking like the league, the media…?”

 

Positional value and how it impacts?

“Well, listen, look, all positions aren’t created equal, but like ultimately you are looking for difference makers and like, elite level talent.  Perfect example again is Carson (Schwesinger) last year.  Does he play one of the more traditional, like premium positions?  No, but he has a premium skill set in that position and can make a huge difference.”

 

You said we assume that you’ll trade down. We probably do. Do you think your peers think that or is that something that can affect communication in the next week? 

“I don’t think it really affects communication. I can’t tell you what they think, honestly, Zac (Jackson), but I don’t see it affecting communication.  It’s a good question, but I don’t see it affecting communication.”

 

Last year you said that when you made the trade back from two to five, you got the extra first round pick.  You said that you envisioned the 2026 draft would be stronger within the first 30 picks.  Do you still hold that belief?  And I know some other GMs have said that they think that, you know, the talent pool and the first-round talent pool kind of dies down midway through. I think Jerry Jones said he has 20 draftable first round grades.  Do you kind of agree with those sentiments?

“I think it’s a good class.  I mean, I think probably in most years you probably have around, however people want to categorize their first-round grades, probably, maybe anywhere from 18 to 20, something along those lines. So I don’t think that’s necessarily anomaly.  I also think that we’re all probably colored by like the prism of our positioning within the draft, like whether you’re picking high, maybe what some of the positions you’d like to have come to you in the draft.  Like, we’re all probably colored by that perspective in terms of how you view the draft. But I think there are really good players throughout this year’s class. I think it’s a good group there.”

 

It seems like every year, you know, next year’s quarterback class is going to be the class.

“I agree.  I think you hear that publicly all the time.”

 

Okay, so why does that phenomenon exist?

“Honestly, I mean this respectfully – I think you should ask your counterparts in that regard. So, I think it’s funny, I think every year I sit up here and I’m always asked the questions like, ‘Okay, well, I hear like, next year’s class is going to better.  Next year’s class is going to be like’, I don’t subscribe to that notion.  I think there will be a number of good players that come from this year’s class.”

 

At the owner’s meetings, you left everything on the table, including trading up.  Now, last year you acknowledged that it was unlikely that you would trade up.  So, is there anybody worth trading up for in this draft and is it realistic that you would even think about doing that?

“I think probably in every draft there’s always someone who it’s realistic to trade up for unless you have the first pick. I think oftentimes though, what’s associated with that is like it’s not just, ‘Hey, do I like that player enough to trade up for him’, it’s what’s the cost, what’s the acquisition cost? And so, I think that’s a hard question to answer without having kind of both sides of it, but that’s certainly a possibility.”

 

Is your not our, but your projection of upcoming quarterback class influence your decision making process, whether or not to take one, you know, to the point of this was thought originally to be a good year, a talent, heavy quarterback class that never really seemed to materialize.  You took two of them last year.  So just how does that, like, how do you in your mind project, ‘okay, this is the year where we want to be aggressive and be able to go, you know, go after it.’?

“That’s a good question, Daryl (Ruiter). I mentioned earlier, for us, it ends up being kind of a 13- or 14-month process. We always want to have some level of visibility into next year’s draft class. And that’s not just at quarterback, that’s across positions.  Because that does have some, or I should say that can have some strategic implications in terms of how you try to position yourself in the present year. That being said, there is a lot of noise with that type of projection, right? And I think, you know, mentioning the quarterback position, a year ago where some of maybe the top reported names are relative to where we are today, that looks a lot different. So, while that can factor in, it’s with a very – I should say this, it’s not with necessarily a high, strongly convicted degree of certainty, but to be completely ignorant of it is something that we don’t believe in doing”

 

I want to ask you about two receivers, (Carnell) Tate and (Jordyn) Tyson. What did you see on film from both guys?

“They’re both excellent players. They both have size. You know, they both can separate, good hands. Obviously, Carnell, if he’s not an NFL receiver, he probably could be a trapeze artist with how acrobatic he is and you know, Jordyn’s an excellent creator with the ball in his hands. So, they’re two excellent, excellent prospects.”

 

Now when you’re rating these guys, like he’s playing with (Jeremiah) Smith, so there’s the cradle receivers anyways at Ohio State, does that impact how you grade the individual receiver out?

“It adds context, Terry (Pluto). But, you know, I would maybe point to, specifically at Ohio State, the receivers that have come there in the past where, Emeka (Egbuka), he played with JSN (Jaxson Smith-Njigba), JSN, I believe, played with Garrett Wilson and (Chris) Olave.  Like, I think that, you know, at times we can maybe overanalyze that aspect, but it may provide context in terms of their production of the matchups that they’re drawing.”

 

I wanted to ask you about wide receiver just in general. Since you’ve been here.  I think the highest you’ve taken one is 74.  In light of wide receivers making so much money in free agency and getting that extra year, the first-round pick, is there a reason you haven’t really picked one that high before?

“I think it’s not a philosophical thing.  I think if you look back over the last several years, first couple years, we already had Odell (Beckham Jr.) and Jarvis (Landry), on the team, and were paying both of them. When we transitioned away from both, we spent a fifth-round pick on Amari (Cooper) and we had him, you know, at a sizable number. And then when we traded Amari, we traded for Jerry (Jeudy). So I think, like, it’s not necessarily just this in a vacuum, ‘hey, do you spend a first-round pick at a position? It’s like, okay, what’s the actual resource expenditure?’ Because if it’s a fifth-round pick and a major extension, that’s a pretty significant resource. I think maybe to your broader question of like, how do you think about the position relative to how expensive it’s gotten. I think a big factor is, who are the players and what’s the supply at the position in a given year and then how are you positioned with your pick? Would have no problem taking a receiver high, would have no problem taking receiver at any point in the draft. But it’s got to line up strategically with what you’re doing.”

 

As a follow-up to both Daryl and Jimmy (Watkins) on the quarterback conversation. The landscape has changed so much in college football, Dante Moore is a good example of, like, a guy that maybe could come out this year, but went back. And I know last year you said you’re always kind of projecting two years ahead, especially at all positions, but especially at quarterback. Are you able to gain any insight this far out on what guys, like, if guys might go back or whatever? Like, how do you kind of factor in those things when you’re evaluating that?

“If I understand you’re correctly, you’re saying insight in terms of if guys in the 2027 draft would go back?”

 

Can you gain any insight into where a guy might be, or is it just simply they have to play next season before we even have any indication?

“Yeah, I mean, I think you can put guys in, like, the likely, maybe, unlikely buckets. That’s probably a better way of saying it.  But so much can change in a year, right?  Does a guy get hurt?  Does he underperform?  Does a guy over perform and then come out. I mean, how many people maybe had Ty Simpson on their radar at this point last year? Right, because he hadn’t played any significant snaps at Alabama. And so, I just think that it’s one of those situations where, you can have maybe broad strokes, but lot changes once you get into the fall.”

 

Question about next week.  It’s only phase two.  How is he able to conduct seven-on-sevens and 11-on-11?

“It’s actually just normal.  It’s funny to me.  I had to look up this rule, too, because I was like, is this phase two or do we actually get to practice?  But no, it’s we actually get to practice, within the rules. And, Peter (John-Baptiste), if I have that wrong, can you correct me? Trying not to get fined, okay?”

 

They can go 11-on-11, seven-on-seven. Because it’s the extra?

“ Yeah, it’s actually a minicamp.”

 

Andrew, in terms offensive line, where do you assess things? And it seems like most of the top prospects are right tackles. What’s the evaluation period in terms of whether they can swing to left and all of that?

“Yeah, I think every player is unique.  I think certainly it’s a good offensive line group. I think, as you know, look, some players that are, and we see this every year, but some players that are college tackles may move inside just because of their physical characteristics, whether it’s athleticism or length or something along those lines. Some have multi aligned inside, outside, some have lined up on both sides of the line of scrimmage. So you really do take it case by case because I don’t think there’s necessarily a one size fits all rule.”

 

To follow up on that, I know before you had said that the difference between right and left, especially the tackles, like maybe a bit has made too much of it.  I mean, after diving into this specific route though, do you feel like there are multiple players that you could see making a switch successfully if needed?

“Yeah, I’ve said this before. You know, tackles are tackles. You’re looking for certain characteristics because they’ve all got to be able to protect on an edge. You know, top rushers are not staying one side of the ball. So we really do analyze it within the aggregate position.”

 

You mentioned the last time we asked you about taking a quarterback, back when we were at the meetings you mentioned that it was wholly realistic that you could draft or add a quarterback in this draft or maybe in this acquisition cycle. So now that you’ve had a chance to really dig in on all of these guys, how likely is it that you will draft a quarterback in this draft?

“Yeah, I think it’s possible.  I think it’s possible that we could, I mean, quite frankly, it’s possible that we could add to any position. That’s really the truth. And I wouldn’t disqualify quarterback either. No.”

 

Do you have any clarity on Joel Bitonio, what he’s going to be doing?

“I don’t, I don’t.”

 

Have you talked to him?

“We talk to our players all the time.”

 

When you talk about positional value, when you’re drafting as high as number six, does it have more importance there than say when you mentioned Carson (Schwesinger) at 33, where you just have a hard rule that without a great exception we’re not going to take position X, Y or Z that high.

“I’d go back to what I said earlier, Scott (Petrak), where I think the first order is you want to select a unique player.  That’s the first order, before you get into preferences or things of that nature because they’re just hard to find across any position.”

 

Kind of along those lines then when we talk about – just to go back to a guy like Jeremiyah Love – do you categorize a guy like that differently because he can do so many things or is he just like a running back in your eyes?

“I think that in Jeremiah’s case, I think the way that you can deploy him is – it’s a lot different than other players at the position and specifically what he can do in the passing game. So he’s a pretty special, unique prospect.”

 

Is he ‘generational’?

“I don’t really throw around the whole generational thing because, like, this is… you’re gonna get me going here, Mary Kay (Cabot).  Like, the thing I have a tough time with is, like every draft cycle, do you not hear, ‘this person’s a generational…’ Like, by definition, that’s not possible, right? We should be saying that like every 20 years, but we literally say it every year at the top of the draft.”

 

But last year you called someone a unicorn?

“Fair enough.”

 

Any Shohei Ohtani’s in the Draft?

“No, Ohtanis that we can identify this year, Terry (Pluto).”

 

With a guy like that, if you brought him in, would that take touches away from somebody like Quinshon (Judkins) or like, do you consider things like that?

“You absolutely have to have those types of discussions. I think that’s totally fair.  But, you know, there are some players that just they transcend scheme and they make a unique impact on the game. We should be able to find a way to use those players.”

 

You have two first round picks. You know the team’s needs. I guess I would say everyone kind of generally knows the team’s needs. How much of the scenario planning is if we take this position at 6, are we able to still attack another position that we might want to focus on at 24 and vice versa? How much of that is going into your scenario planning?

“That factors in, but not, you know, not just in the first round. So that factors in every year. When I talk about supply and demand, each draft class, they’re comprised of depth and lack of depth at different positions. When we go into the weekend, I know so much focus is on the first round for every team, but I think generally when teams go into it, they look at like, okay, here’s our aggregate choices or our selection choices, how do we maximize this bundle of assets? And whether that’s how you order your selections, how you manage your capital with moving across the board. But the goal is not necessarily to just maximize night one. It’s when you get to the end of the week to say, hey, look, we think we maximize the amount of talent and impact on the roster that we could get with the overall number of selections that we started with.”

 

Follow up on that, now that the evaluation period has arrived, I asked you a question at the owner’s meeting. Do you think you can find quality contributors at 24, whether it’s tackle or wide receiver?

“I think there will be a lot of good prospects throughout the draft.”

 

If you aren’t able to draft a quarterback that you like at that value this draft, will you move quickly to sign a veteran?

“I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily the case, but we have to see where we are after the draft.”

 

Off that contributor aspect, last year you had so many guys in the draft that became either day one contributors or early season, full-season contributors. Did that shift kind of how you guys approached this draft knowing that you guys hit on so many guys to do that again? Obviously, development is a possibility for any guy that you draft, but you want them to be day one contributors. So, does that change your mindset?

“I think probably the change was when we made our strategic pivot to get younger, right? At that point, you’re going to make sure that younger players have the opportunity to kind of play their way into development. And I think kind of where we are now, I think, you know, it’ll be a similar mindset. That maybe changes a little bit as you have a more veteran and established team, but we obviously want to give guys runway to grow and develop.”

 

Do you expect Ty Simpson to go in the first round? And how do you guys kind of feel about Ty after your thorough evaluation?

“Great question, I wouldn’t comment on the first part of it. But in terms of the second part of it, we’ve enjoyed the time that we’ve spent with Ty – son of a coach, really smart, very driven, he’s physically talented. He has a very unique college journey, in terms of coming in as a five star and then really having to wait his turn behind two pretty talented, quarterbacks and Bryce Young and Jalen Milroe before getting his chance under center. And he did a great job maximizing it. So, we’ve really enjoyed our time with Ty.”

 

Follow up on that, in the event that you did end up with Ty Simpson, how does that impact Shedeur Sanders and maybe even Dillon Gabriel?

“I’d say I don’t love dealing in hypotheticals. So, I guess I’d say this, if we add a quarterback, we have a lot of love for the quarterbacks that are in the room, that’s probably the first thing. So that decision would be made independently of anything that we add to the room.”

 

When you go on the quarterback evaluation, you have a guy like (Garrett) Nussmeier, where he had one year, a full year of starting. And then in that second year where you look to see to add more context, he goes through like that injury situation. How do you sort of balance that and what kind of goes into kind of separating back from fiction with the club?

“Yeah, it’s a good question. That’s a little bit more art than science. I don’t think you can go in there blindly and say, ‘Hey, like, going to treat this past season the same way that we would have thought of, you know, the 2024 season.’ He was obviously hurt and it affected his performance. How you do that and how you weigh it and how you come to your decisions, it may be different from building to building, but it’s just something that you talk through, and you try and make the best call that you can.”

 

I have an unrelated question, but it does relate to this Draft. You have this defense that’s played at a high level, consistently here for a couple of years. And obviously the offense, that’s a work in progress as you look to retool that. How do you close that gap as quickly as possible? I know you said earlier this off season, and it was at the Combine, just because you’re young doesn’t mean you can’t be a good football team. So just how can you close the gap between having this defense that’s really good and, you know, giving Coach (Todd) Monken enough talent to where he can get the offense to kind of close the gap?

“Yeah, I think it starts with the internal development of the players that are here and on your roster. Secondly, it’s adding competition and talent, you know, where you can with the guys that you bring in. And then third, it’s putting together an offense or a scheme that maximizes the players that you have on hand. Simple outline. Certainly, like, more challenging to do. Like, I don’t mean to be… suggest that you just snap your fingers and it happens. But that’s really the blueprint.”

 

You mentioned that, you know, last year, no one ever expected you guys to trade out. It seems like you have a good poker face, like, going into each one of these trades.

“Appreciate that. That’s the kindest thing anyone’s ever said to me [laughs].”

 

You’re welcome. How important is that? Is that kind of something you’ve had to learn over the process? And how fun is it for you to kind of like go through that process of trying to keep other teams guessing?

“I would like to sit here and say that, like, yeah, I have this, like, generated strategy to – I’ll be honest. I usually just tell you guys the truth and you guys don’t believe me. Terry (Pluto), I see that face. No, honestly, like, it’s not necessarily about… there are some things I’m just not going to talk about publicly, obviously, because they impact strategy. But I really think the biggest thing is just being flexible to opportunities that can help the organization. And I think that when you’re too dogmatic or sort of like, hey, we can only do this, that’s when you don’t, you know, open yourselves up to like, okay, hey, here’s an opportunity that we didn’t anticipate was coming down the pike, but this is actually better than what our plan A was. Let’s pivot to plan B. So, I think many of those moments can actually happen in those types of circumstances.”

 

Following up on that, do you have to lie to other teams on the phone?

“I think if you lie, as a general manager to your peers and counterparty, you won’t get business done.”

 

You credited the success of last year’s draft to just having better resources, right. More picks, more higher picks. Was there anything else that changed? Like, did anything process wise change and allowed you guys to have such an impactful draft last year?

“It was pretty similar honestly, Scott.”

 

In your free agency, on the offensive line, you’ve stressed versatility. Do you think you’re overemphasizing versatility?

“I’d say that was a nice byproduct of getting good players, Tony (Grossi), as opposed to going out and saying, ‘Hey, look, we’re going to maximize versatility and then, like, talent will be next.’ They’re really good football players.  And the added bonus is the versatility.”

 

Ohio State could have four players taken in the top 10, which any school hasn’t done since, I think, ‘67.  Just what’s it like going through those four players, especially (Caleb) Downs, safeties in the top 10 are rare, and it seems like (Sonny) Styles really ascended after his Combine.

“And maybe clarify if I’m not answering your question. Coach (Ryan) Day’s done a great job recruiting up there. I mean, not just with those four individuals, but they have some younger players that are coming down the pipeline that are pretty impressive. And I think the other part of it is, like, all four of those individuals, like, they’re great human beings. And so it’s, you can see why they’ve had so much success, but they’ve done a great job of recruiting, and they’ve done a great job of developing.”

 

With (Arvell) Reese, Downs and Styles, how much did it help (Matt) Patricia coming in, with his NFL background and that NFL system with, you know, what they did last year in game?

“Yeah, I actually think you probably see it the most with Downs and Reese, because Arvell, you know, his ability off the ball, his ability on the line of scrimmage. You know, Matt did that a lot with, you know, whether it’s like (Dont’a) Hightower. I think it was probably Hightower and (Jamie) Collins, if memory serving me correctly, in New England, where he used these guys in these hybrid roles, which makes it really difficult for the O-line and the offense to protect and identify these guys. And then, you know, what they did for a number of years with their safeties in New England, I think those two guys, out of everyone, probably benefited the most because of Matt’s philosophy.  But all of them gained wisdom and improved their games just because, you know, Matt, he’s one of the best defensive minds in football.”

 

You’ve mentioned that one of your possibilities with number six is to trade it for a veteran. And so I’m just wondering, have you had many conversations about that?  And then also, how likely might it be to –  I know you haven’t wanted to trade away any of your veterans, but is that still the case that you probably aren’t going to trade away a big name, one of your veterans?

“Yeah, so the first question in terms of, you have a bunch of trade discussions throughout the weekend and everything like that, so I couldn’t handicap anything as we sit here today. In terms of, like, our guys or what we do, I’d say we’ll do anything that can help the team, move the roster forward, but I think that’s much less likely, yeah.”

 

When you look at you… you have a good defense and say you there’s a player like Downs who I guess is the best safety. Is that fair to say or not?

“He’s among a very good safety this year.”

 

He’s the best safety this year among 15 other guys. But in terms of, seriously, when you’re looking at this positional value to where you’re drafted, how does like when you look at a guy like Downs, first of all, what kind of player is he and how does that fit into like your philosophy?

“You know, he’s an excellent player and an excellent kid. I think you’ve seen with us and you’ve seen really across the league that you’re really transitioning from a, you know, a league where you had either four defensive linemen and three off the ball linebackers or really like five down and two off the ball linebackers to a three safety league where you have these safeties that are these hybrid defenders. Kyle Hamilton’s obviously the one that we see every year. You can look at what Nick Emmanwori did as a rookie in Seattle for Mike Macdonald and those guys provide a lot of value because they’re really these multi-positions or we think about positionless basketball. You’re getting to this point where you have this positionless defensive philosophy in the NFL. So, I think that position, you know, is certainly gaining value. You know, that’s something that we’ve deployed very often as well.”

 

Can I ask you one more about Joel? Do you want answer from him before the draft?

“I’d say this, Jeff (Schudel). Like Joel has been a foundational player for the organization. He’s everything that we could have asked as a Brown. He needs to make the decision on his own timeline, just simple as that. And like he’s earned that right. He will have that right. You know, we’ll be ready either way.”

 

 

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